Notes on the Play (film) Doubt
Doubt Notes ( from watching film)
(Is Sr James the innocent suggestible sp 6 who sways back and forth by whoever she is with? Is Sr A the 6 who insists on her projections about authority? It is clear Fr F is partial to Donald and against the bully London. )
Fr. Flynn’s sermon begins with Type Six Themes on Doubt and Divided Loyalties: “What do you do when you are not sure?” A sermon on the bond of being human was the source of suffering at Kennedy’s assasination, imagine when someone suffers alone. And a sailor lost- doubts his way.
“Doubt can be a bond as sustaining as certainty.” He says.
Children in yard, priest, nun…. Power differentials. Author Tom Condon (a 6) says Sixes always have power on their radar screens.
Nun says Roosevelt said: the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. She asks kids what he meant. She thinks the world is good and we only need work together. All the while the head sister is policing the children for deviances. (Sixes are very attentive to deviance, divided loyalties.)
The head nun Sr Aloysius asks questions of the other nuns at dinner about what they thought the Doubt sermon was about… and she states she has concerns about something in the parish… inserting Doubt in them. But scolds them when they ask more and says “I was not inviting a guessing game.”
“You are a very innocent person, Sr James”. Sr James didn’t doubt the London child had a spontaneous nosebleed, not a self-inflicted one. Sr A explains the hierarchy of the church to her, and her place in it under Sr A.
“Every easy choice today will have consequences tomorrow…” Sr A is a worrier, complainer, throws her power around, inserts doubt, mentions kids up to no good.
Juxtaposition between male priests eating red meat, red wine, smoking and laughing at stories where priest tells an overweight mother to tell her daughter she is fat. Nuns eat simple and in silence.
“I told you to come to me but I hoped you never would.” Double msg from Sr A when Sr J mentions the boy Donald Miller is being singled out by the priest. (I want to appear loyal but if you come to me it creates the possibility of divided loyalties. The Six connection to Type Three is "cover your own self image".)
“It’s my job to outshine the fox in cleverness… and why do you look as if you’ve seen the devil?” Sr A begins to make a case inside; and Sr J says she thinks there was alcohol on his breath, and then says there *was* alcohol on his breath. The cat finds the mouse— while Sr A says “we will need to stop him.” “The wind has changed.” (The Six has a bone and when they have one it is difficult to stop them: when for good it is an advocate and when misaligned it is harrassment.)
At the meeting with Fr F, Srs A and J: he takes the principal’s seat… and Sr A instructs Sr J to serve him, but Sr A does so while he insists on three sugars.
Deviance: Fr F proposes a secular hymn as a new idea. Sr A is against Frosty the Snowman bc “the images are disturbing and it is heretical.” “There is nothing new under the sun.”
Sr A and Fr F discuss whether they (bc of their loyalty to their vows) are the same or different than their parishioners. Fr F says not, and that the clergy should be friendlier; but Sr A says “the working class people of this parish trust us to be *different*…”
Sr A: “Do you believe him? Isn’t it easier just to believe him… I’ll being him down.”
Sr J is left with **divided loyalty** ie to believe the priest cares about the boy or to believe her mother superior is against the priest.
Mother just wants her (gay) son to have a man to care about him. Sr A questions her loyalty as a mother; says to remove the priest then. “I don’t know if you and me are on the same side, but I’ll be standing with the people who are good to my son. Would be nice to see you there.” The scene highlights a divided loyalty between mother who loves her (gay) son, and the father who beats him for it.
Discussion w Sr A and Fr F: are they unfounded suspicions, projections? “You have no proof, no right”. She says “I have my certainty!” “Certainty is an emotion, not a fact… I’ve done nothing wrong.” “You are a cheat.” “I can fight you.” “You will lose.” “Where is your compassion?” “No where you can get at it.”
“I wish I could be like you. I cannot sleep.”
“Maybe we’re not meant to sleep so well. They appointed Fr Flynn the pastor at St Jerome…”
Sr A and F
“So you did prove it?”
“I made no such call… his resignation was his confession.” “I cannot believe you lied. “In the pursuit of wrongdoing, one steps away from god; of course there is a price.”
“Oh Sr James. I have doubts. I have such doubt.”
Seems no one is meant to sleep well, in a world filled with Doubt and Anxiety.
(Is Sr James the innocent suggestible sp 6 who sways back and forth by whoever she is with? Is Sr A the 6 who insists on her projections about authority? It is clear Fr F is partial to Donald and against the bully London. )
Fr. Flynn’s sermon begins with Type Six Themes on Doubt and Divided Loyalties: “What do you do when you are not sure?” A sermon on the bond of being human was the source of suffering at Kennedy’s assasination, imagine when someone suffers alone. And a sailor lost- doubts his way.
“Doubt can be a bond as sustaining as certainty.” He says.
Children in yard, priest, nun…. Power differentials. Author Tom Condon (a 6) says Sixes always have power on their radar screens.
Nun says Roosevelt said: the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. She asks kids what he meant. She thinks the world is good and we only need work together. All the while the head sister is policing the children for deviances. (Sixes are very attentive to deviance, divided loyalties.)
The head nun Sr Aloysius asks questions of the other nuns at dinner about what they thought the Doubt sermon was about… and she states she has concerns about something in the parish… inserting Doubt in them. But scolds them when they ask more and says “I was not inviting a guessing game.”
“You are a very innocent person, Sr James”. Sr James didn’t doubt the London child had a spontaneous nosebleed, not a self-inflicted one. Sr A explains the hierarchy of the church to her, and her place in it under Sr A.
“Every easy choice today will have consequences tomorrow…” Sr A is a worrier, complainer, throws her power around, inserts doubt, mentions kids up to no good.
Juxtaposition between male priests eating red meat, red wine, smoking and laughing at stories where priest tells an overweight mother to tell her daughter she is fat. Nuns eat simple and in silence.
“I told you to come to me but I hoped you never would.” Double msg from Sr A when Sr J mentions the boy Donald Miller is being singled out by the priest. (I want to appear loyal but if you come to me it creates the possibility of divided loyalties. The Six connection to Type Three is "cover your own self image".)
“It’s my job to outshine the fox in cleverness… and why do you look as if you’ve seen the devil?” Sr A begins to make a case inside; and Sr J says she thinks there was alcohol on his breath, and then says there *was* alcohol on his breath. The cat finds the mouse— while Sr A says “we will need to stop him.” “The wind has changed.” (The Six has a bone and when they have one it is difficult to stop them: when for good it is an advocate and when misaligned it is harrassment.)
At the meeting with Fr F, Srs A and J: he takes the principal’s seat… and Sr A instructs Sr J to serve him, but Sr A does so while he insists on three sugars.
Deviance: Fr F proposes a secular hymn as a new idea. Sr A is against Frosty the Snowman bc “the images are disturbing and it is heretical.” “There is nothing new under the sun.”
Sr A and Fr F discuss whether they (bc of their loyalty to their vows) are the same or different than their parishioners. Fr F says not, and that the clergy should be friendlier; but Sr A says “the working class people of this parish trust us to be *different*…”
Sr A: “Do you believe him? Isn’t it easier just to believe him… I’ll being him down.”
Sr J is left with **divided loyalty** ie to believe the priest cares about the boy or to believe her mother superior is against the priest.
Mother just wants her (gay) son to have a man to care about him. Sr A questions her loyalty as a mother; says to remove the priest then. “I don’t know if you and me are on the same side, but I’ll be standing with the people who are good to my son. Would be nice to see you there.” The scene highlights a divided loyalty between mother who loves her (gay) son, and the father who beats him for it.
Discussion w Sr A and Fr F: are they unfounded suspicions, projections? “You have no proof, no right”. She says “I have my certainty!” “Certainty is an emotion, not a fact… I’ve done nothing wrong.” “You are a cheat.” “I can fight you.” “You will lose.” “Where is your compassion?” “No where you can get at it.”
“I wish I could be like you. I cannot sleep.”
“Maybe we’re not meant to sleep so well. They appointed Fr Flynn the pastor at St Jerome…”
Sr A and F
“So you did prove it?”
“I made no such call… his resignation was his confession.” “I cannot believe you lied. “In the pursuit of wrongdoing, one steps away from god; of course there is a price.”
“Oh Sr James. I have doubts. I have such doubt.”
Seems no one is meant to sleep well, in a world filled with Doubt and Anxiety.
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